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>I don't know how or when we lost tolerance for free speech, both as an industry and as a society. But the Damore incident is when I realized that we have.

The tech industry was just an exception for a decade or so because it was fairly non-corporate. Go to any conservative law firm or traditional management and try to start a fiery political debate, and see how that goes. There was never any lively democratic discourse or tolerance in any corporate environment, or any other private environment for that matter, ask any gay person that's older than 25 and doesn't live in a liberal state. George Carlin made a career of saying 'shit' on television, that's how free-wheeling discourse was.

Also as a sidenote on that Damore debacle, he got canned because of his presentation. You can cite 100 studies, when you start to argue that women drop out of high stress jobs because they're neurotic you might as well commit seppuku. He should have passed that manifesto by someone who isn't on the spectrum because anyone could have seen that trainwreck coming a mile away.



I know several people on the autism spectrum. They say Damore was an asshole. It frustrates them so many neurotypical people casually equate those things.


May be he's an asshole. Isn't it what tolerance is about?

Having nothing against gays is not tolerance. This way people are also tolerant to microwaves, ceiling fans and aluminum foil: they have nothing agains all these things.

Tolerance is hating gays passionately, but still tolerating them and serving them in your store. Thinking that women should not be in the workspace, but still treating them equally and professionally.

That's what true tolerance is.


Hating someone and treating them "equally and professionally" is indeed the epitome of tolerance. However, I think your examples do a good job of illustrating the limitations of tolerance, perhaps inadvertently.

First, a world where most store owners hate me but serve me and most of my coworkers think I shouldn't be there but keep quiet about it is, bluntly speaking, a shitty world. Obviously, that world is better than one where people are outspoken about their bigotry, but I would strongly prefer a world of widespread acceptance.

Practically speaking, someone who "hates gays passionately" or thinks that "women should not be in the workspace" will probably treat their gay customers or female colleagues worse, even if they are trying to be tolerant.

Finally, I'd like to emphasize that these situations aren't academic to me. I'm fortunate in that I don't regularly experience homophobia in stores or misogyny at work but they're a real risk I face.


"Tolerance is hating gays passionately, but still tolerating them and serving them in your store. Thinking that women should not be in the workspace, but still treating them equally and professionally."

I have never seen that work. The hate usually manifest in various hidden and subtle actions. Intrigues. Plots. Leaving everyone involved with a bitter feeling and pure drama after a while.

If I am hated, I prefer open hate. Then I know where I am and can just go to a place I am truly welcome.

True tolerance in my book, is actually tolerating and accepting that life and humans are very diverse. Live and let live. And I can tolerate a lot of things I don't like for myself, as long as it is no direct harm to me.


I know people with every combination of on/off the autism spectrum, who like/dislike Damore. Given that, anecdotes from any particular perspective aren't very telling.


It isn't about liking or disliking Damore. It's about respecting the social intelligence of other people on the autism spectrum.


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> So, fuck you. I hope you die in a fire.

Oh man, way to destroy your message. And here I thought it's going somewhere.


Now there are some emotions.

"similar to criticizing blind people for being bad at riding bicycles"

I am not aware of a debate where people get blamed for being blind.

But it makes sense to me to critizice people who want to ride bikes but have not the ability to do so in a safe way, that not endangers other people participating in street traffic.

Now if a blind person learns to ride the bike reasonable well (with technical help) so he or she can actually ride with safety and not endanger others - fine with me and probably most other people.


I know several too. They say he was fired by assholes. Trust me, I'm my own source on the Internets.


He got canned because his work place was not-inclusive to people on the spectrum despite of the big G claiming otherwise.


> You can cite 100 studies, when you start to argue that women drop out of high stress jobs because they're neurotic you might as well commit seppuku.

I mean, you could characterize this as a problematic presentation, but I'm not sure I'd say presentation is the problem with that sort of statement.


The authors underlying point is that factoring in traits of the population — as described statistically and not anecdotally - is the way to make social structures more inclusive.

For example, let’s say that statistically it was discovered to be that more women prioritize work-life balance over all else. Let’s also assume that you want women to feel included in that little “meritocracy” you created. Is it more or less inclusive that your corporate strategy for promoting favored women who sacrificed their work life balance by working on weekend?

Show me what is wrong with this line of thinking.


For people like Damore, the hardest part of being on the spectrum is encountering non-autistic people.


What I love about our society in general and this website specifically is that it always gives people benefits of doubt.

You have 150kg lady buying a box of soda? Well, she's probably just have some health condition... and soda is for her to share with all friends.

You see a 35-year old healthy guy who was never employed jumping the turnstile? Well, he's surely going to his first job interview.

You have a Google employee who made a statement that can be controversial? Oh, shi...




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