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wouldn't the dutch use force to fight the US if the US ever attempted that?

that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US



> that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US

The EU is already an enemy in the eyes of the US, even though it isn't reciprocated.

Not sure what would happen if the US attacked Greenland, attacking a close ally you have literal agreements about protecting each other kind of forces NATO into new territory. My hunch is that the NATO would be dissolved, and everyone would have to team up against the aggressor.


> My hunch is that the NATO would be dissolved, and everyone would have to team up against the aggressor.

And do what exactly against the US? You can’t invade it, geographically they can easily defend Greenland from any invasion force. And speaking of an invasion force, how many countries do you know that can deploy an expeditionary force strong enough to take on the US?


US would be isolated with sanctions, EU may join to the BRICS (or a partial homologous?).

So I'm not sure if the above is his main intention, or if he is telling Greenland to join the EU (altruism? hmmm), or if we're witnessing how he sent his businesses bankrupt [1] , or if I'm missing something.

[1] https://archive.ph/mIJAA ( https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helpe... )

Trump specialises in sending his businesses, hotels and casinos bankrupt, to the point banks stopped lending him money, so he turned to the Russian oligarchy for funding.


> EU may join to the BRICS (or a partial homologous?)

EU joining up with Russia, Iran, and China? Come on.


We are talking about an senary were the market and energy importation from US finish, that would push EU toward the East, Are you sure we will not return to Russia to supply that energy?

Or with other words, Do you think that what happened to the unfortunate Uranians is not related to cut Russian oligarchy tentacles over the EU through energy supply?


> Do you think that what happened to the unfortunate Uranians is not related to cut Russian oligarchy tentacles over the EU through energy supply?

Iran finances terrorism. They have nuclear weapons. They are in alliance with China and Russia.

It would truly be a moral catastrophe if the EU decides to join that side. A true moral catastrophe.


Just following the US’s lead.


>>NATO would be dissolved...

This plays right into Putin's hands including everything else Trump has been doing to bring down the USA.


At some point you have to stop appeasing and actually take a stand. I’m sure America will say they just need breathing room, I can see Starmer coming back from Florida with a note saying “peace in our time”.


In the latest national security strategy the US defined the EU as an enemy. Also, when you read the chats from that Signal group where a reporter was accidentally added, you can see the resentment those people feel towards the EU.


> In the latest national security strategy the US defined the EU as an enemy.

I would love for you to quote out of the document how you come to that conclusion? https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-N...

The section is "C. Promoting European Greatness", starting on p25.


What? The whole Promoting European Greatness section is obviously an attack on the EU. They want to break it up.

It states the goal is to help Europe operate as a "group of aligned sovereign nations" rather than a unified political or economic entity.

It explicitly calls for "cultivating resistance to Europe’s current trajectory within European nations."

It claims that the EU and other "transnational bodies" are responsible for a "stark prospect of civilizational erasure."

It attacks the EU’s regulatory framework, calling it "economic suicide" and "stifling regulation". Suggesting that the U.S. will prioritize trade and technology sharing with "aligned countries" that reject these EU standards, creating economic incentives for member states to break away from EU-wide rules.

It emphasizes building up "the healthy nations of central, eastern, and southern Europe"—specifically those that "want to restore their former greatness"


>wouldn't the dutch use force

I don't know about the dutch, but the danes are probably a bit pissed, however Greenland wants to be independent from Denmark...so there's that:

https://theworld.org/stories/2025/09/15/greenlanders-largely...


> 56% of Greenlanders answer that they would vote yes to Greenlandic independence if a referendum were held today, 28% would vote no, and 17% do not know what they would vote for.

Bit strong to say "Greelanders want to be independent" when it's only 56%, it's about half the ones surveyed. But more importantly:

> The results show that 85% of Greenlanders do not want to leave the Realm and become part of the United States, while 6% want to leave the Danish Realm and become part of the United States, whereas the remaining 9% are undecided.

Since a common tactic to gain a pretext for an invasion is "These people want to be independent!" I feel like it's important to point out than Greenlanders overwhelmingly don't want to be a part of the US, judging by that same survey you linked.

So if the choice were to be "Be a part of Denmark" or "Be a part of the US", the majority would stick with Denmark.

Also, the survey is from "22nd to 26th of January 2025", pretty much a year ago, with ~500 people answering, and I'm pretty sure the results would look different today, especially since yesterday.


>>While Greenlanders broadly support independence, there is a divide over how quickly it should happen.

https://www.arctictoday.com/the-seven-steps-to-greenlandic-i...

>>While a majority of Greenland's 57,000 inhabitants support independence, there is division over the timing and potential impact on living standards.

https://www.reuters.com/world/greenlands-leader-steps-up-pus...

As you can see here there's only one party (with 7.4%) in Greenland who is against independence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_elect...

One would say that paints a pretty clear picture.

>So if the choice were to be "Be a part of Denmark" or "Be a part of the US", the majority would stick with Denmark.

Or maybe the third choice..be independent?


> Or maybe the third choice..be independent?

As mentioned, I'd love to see another survey from this month. My guess, at least based on talking with some acquaintances who are Danish with ancestors in Greenland, is that many now realize that "independent" isn't a realistic choice, given the current circumstances. So it really is between "Denmark with the protection of NATO" or "US with the protection of US by itself".


>Denmark with the protection of NATO

Sorry to tell you but NATO IS the US, not France nor the Brits will do anything against the US.

But yeah, let the people of greenland decide and not like spain with the catalan independence movement.


Yes, of course, the organization with its bureaucratic center being in Belgium, and military headquarters also being in Brussels, IS obviously just the US and the US only.

I'm sorry to tell you, but the world is actually larger than the US, regardless of what your current media is trying to tell you. If the US actually dared to attack Denmark, an ally, I'm fairly certain France and The UK would stop being allies to the US, because suddenly "ally" doesn't mean anything anymore.


>I'm sorry to tell you, but the world is actually larger than the US

Let me tell you since you think i am from the US, i am not.

>France and The UK would stop being allies to the US

No they don't because there's one other choice and that's china, the right of Denmark to keep Greenland is simply not important enough in a multi-polar world.

>bureaucratic center being in Belgium, and military headquarters also being in Brussels

Yes and you can bet that Belgium would rater lick Donald's boots then help Denmark.


Surely appeasement will work this time


Not important, fact is that no one will do anything against it. Reality vs Wishful thinking.


That independence is ready for them when they want it, they just wanted a slow transition. It's going according to their plan.

Obviously a huge superpower threatening them is a reason to want less independence not more, due to the military support possibilities.

Also, do you really think they will have independence under American flag? They will be a second-rate US state just like Puerto Rico is. People with no rights to vote, that are just considered good enough by the Americans to throw them a few toilet rolls for a photo-op when their country is ruined by natural disaster.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-helps-suffering-...


The want to be independent from Denmark but not as a dependent of the USA.


I wasn't aware Greenland was part of the Netherlands.


*Danish


Holland is a stupid lap dog of the US. They didn't even want to issue a statement condemning the Venezuela operation. It's the most strongly neoliberal country left in the EU since the British left. Also always falling over themselves to apologise for Israeli war crimes. This is why Rutte became SG of NATO, his neoliberal oligarch party was always an American lapdog.

I don't expect any kind of action from them about Greenland. Denmark maybe, they're also pretty right-wing but it affects them directly. And Spain which have much less of an issue giving a middle finger to Trump.




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