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According to a fairly arbitrary decision of which sub-groups to split up further and which to see as one.

And quite likely, you will also need another fairly arbitrary decision of which groups to include as "white" (if you included Turkic people as white, and saw them as a single group, I'm pretty sure there are more of them than Slavs).



I have a theory based on absolutely nothing that cultures rarely ever fundamentally change. When Americans decided that racism is bad, they didn't reject the racial theory as a whole, they just concluded that some details of its application were wrong. Otherwise it's difficult to explain why a seemingly race-blind society keeps discussing race all the time, and dedicates so much effort into preserving information about who is what race. Similarly, despite democratic revolutions, both Russian and Chinese societies keep going back to some form of monarchy - this form of governance is just deeply ingrained in their culture, and you won't change it overnight.


> Otherwise it's difficult to explain why a seemingly race-blind society keeps discussing race all the time, and dedicates so much effort into preserving information about who is what race.

I think a core problem there is that people fail to realize that emphasizing and celebrating the own ethnicity/gender/sexuality/religion opens the door for discrimination along those lines.

Demonstrating "pride" to belong to some group is never consequence-free, and often a really bad trade-off overall.


I basically agree. There should be no pride or shame in things you can't take neither credit or blame for. I also don't buy the common argument that taking pride in something is necessary to counterweight the shame associated with it in the past.

But I also think there are positive ways of celebrating your culture.


> But I also think there are positive ways of celebrating your culture.

I think you're right, I was being too prohibitive.

When people start to reduce their own identity (and their judgement of others) to just one dimension is where the actually dangerous territory starts, but it is a very easy position to end up in sadly (even right after being on the receiving end).


A quick Google search estimates total Turkic people at 170M




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