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The problem with Firefox is it almost impossible to sell today (compared to 10 or 20 years ago).

- It doesn't have better performance or security.

- If you want better privacy and ad-blocking out of the box, Brave is the way to go.

- The "supporting an independent implementation" argument doesn't really resonate anymore.

I am wondering if the small market share it has left on desktop (especially in Europe and Germany) might be due to governments and corporations installing it on their computers.



I'm sorry mate, that does not make sense

I am appalled by this change, but I am not switching to Brave. Mozilla is loosing trust, Brave started with zero.


Only very few people are aware or care about the drama between Mozilla and Brave.

Most people will only trust the Data safety / Data Privacy section on the Play / App store (as they should):

- Firefox on Android: This app may share these data types with third parties: Location, Personal info and 3 others [0]

- Firefox on iOS: The following data may be collected and linked to your identity: Contact Info.

Data Not Linked to You. The following data may be collected but it is not linked to your identity: Location, Identifiers, Usage Data, Diagnostics [1]

- Brave on Android: No data shared with third parties, No data collected [2]

- Brave on iOS: No data shared with third parties, No data collected [3]

Data Not Linked to You. The following data may be collected but it is not linked to your identity: Identifiers, Usage Data [4]

It's evident, Brave collect way less data than Firefox on those platforms.

Maybe the problem of Mozilla is they feel entitled to the trust they gained when they were the open source browser against IE. But that trust erodes over time.

- [0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fi...

- [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/

- [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brave.brow...

- [3] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brave-browser-search-engine/


Developers that fill those informations.. So then saying over there that they do not collect does not mean they are not collecting something..

Also, Brave has already broken trust multiple times..

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2020/06/08/brave-browsers-...

https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brave-browser-under-fire...

https://www.xda-developers.com/brave-browser-installs-vpn-wi...

https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/

I do not trust Brave in a million years and would never replace Firefox with it..

Also, i bet that most people do not even know or look at those privacy information at the store.. although i agree they should..


Mozilla has broken trust multiple times as well. If you don't trust Brave because of that, then how on earth are you trusting Mozilla?


I do not trust the scetchy guy running it

I do not trust their relationship with crypto

I do not trust their business model


> the scetchy guy running it

You mean Brandon Eich, the author of JavaScript and co-founder of Mozilla? Why?

The other two points I 100% agree with.


The sketchy guy was the CEO of Mozilla and created JavaScript. If you don't trust him then why did you trust Mozilla when he was in charge?

I'm not sold on their crypto, but one thing is clear. Browsers need to stop getting the majority of their funding from big tech, especially Google. Maybe crypto is not the right way, but at least they are doing something.

Why do you trust the business practices of Mozilla who gets most of their funding from Google?


I tried using Brave ages ago. I wanted to like it, but it crashed even more often than Firefox (which is a feat unto itself) and didn't have the option to tag bookmarks.


> but it crashed even more often than Firefox (which is a feat unto itself)

Er, you maybe should check your RAM and GPU. I've run Firefox on a lot of different systems, with everything from vanilla profiles and no saved tabs to loads of extensions and literally thousands of tabs, and it basically never crashes. Well, the beta version can be a little less stable, but... beta version. Could just be that I'm lucky or you're unlucky, but I'd strongly suggest checking your hardware and maybe GPU drivers.




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