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Tunisia is self-destructing, has one of the world highest divorce rate, slow birth rate that will make it disappear if not solved early, more than 10% of the population working/living abroad, and enough social/life mess that I/my friends want to somehow leave the country and live in another place.

Yet, we did no wars, made no commercial/art explosion (even food we don't produce).

It's not about wars, allies or anything else. I summarize it to the following:

- Justice: Yes, justice is point number one. You must have justice.

- Values: That's why religion works, it keeps values deep inside and transmit them from a generation to another.

- Education: To avoid mess, and poverty.

Military? No, you don't really need it. You need values. Look at 2006 war between Isreal and a few folks in Huzb Allah. Isreal has the strongest military in the region, along with support from the USA and Liban (gov), yet they failed.



>- Values: That's why religion works, it keeps values deep inside and transmit them from a generation to another.

More people have died on armed conflicts in the name of religion than for any other reason. National Socialism, for example, is a drop in the bucket compared to it.

In the 'States, non-religious people are much less likely to be in jail.

Religion is great at transmitting values, no doubt, but it's usually the wrong ones.


Let's not turn this into an atheism circle-jerk. I really don't come to Hacker News for this...


You have no idea what the relevant numbers are. The estimated loss of life during the Crusades ranges from 3-10 million lives. Current estimates place the Russian loss of life alone from WWII at 19.5 million.


This[1] page puts the sum of deaths of religious wars at 800 million.

[1]: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatz.htm




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