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> If Bitcoin is broken then your bank encryption and everything else is broken also.

Its a lot easier for your bank to change encryption methods than it is for bitcoin. Presumably you mean TLS here (where else do banks use encryption? Disk encryption?). People are already deploying experiments with quantum-proof TLS.

> As far as I know quantum computers still can't even honestly factor 7x3=21, so you are good. And the 5x3=15 is iffy about how honest that was either.

This is probably the wrong way to look at it. Once you start multiplying numbers together (for real, using error corrected qubits), you are already like 85% there. Like if this was a marathon, the multiplying thing is like a km from the finish line. By the time you start seeing people there the race would already be mostly over.


I still don’t really get the argument, like okay this extremely rich theoretical attacker can obtain the private key for the cert my service uses, but it doesn’t give them my 2fa which is needed to book each transaction, and as soon as these attacks are in the wild anti fraud/surveillance systems will be in much harder mode.

I don’t see QC coming as meaning bank accounts will be emptied.

disclaimer: I work at a bank on such systems


> I think this was the holdup

It isn't...


On the brightside at least we'll have a clear indicator for when quantum computers actually arrive.

D-Wave is not making the type of quantum computers these breakthroughs would apply to, even if scaled up, as far as i know.

I find it crazy how whenever space stuff or even fundamental science stuff in general gets talked about, the its a waste of money crowd comes out. Everyone is totally fine with the AI bullshit of the day or the people spending millions on a start ups whose pitch is so stupid it sounds like something that would have been rejected from silicon valley the tv show, but suddenly if its for science its a bridge to far.

You want to save the world? by all means have at it. But let the science peeps do science things. Its not like the world would be any more saved if they weren't doing these things.


The same crowd comes out because in every human generation, a young boy will have seen the advances of human technology and ambition, and will have also seen the sheer scale of our curious contraptions by the time they are an old man. That’s why you get the same “revelation” generation after generation.

Some people truly grow up.


> They probably have way more now 18 years later though.

I wouldn't neccesarily think so. Nukes are really expensive to create and maintain, but once you have "enough" getting more doesn't really provide much additional benefit.


Its also kind of weird, as the article is basically just an executive summary. Did they really need AI to come up with that? Its hardly in the weeds of the details.

From the IAEA perspective, Israel is not a party to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty so they are not bound by IAEA rules (and in exchange they do not get the benefits of being part of the treaty, which are substantial)

More to the point, if your military is only good when enemies attack you the way you want them to, you don't have a good military.

Nowadays it's about efficiency and cost-effectiveness. Sure, 99% of the time a Shahed-136 might "lose" against a Patriot, but a Patriot missile costs 200x what a Shahed does.

Laser and EWar approaches are going to be more successful long-term as the price per "shot" is dramatically less, but deployments are slow.


The US uses APKWS and similar against Shahed-136. These guided missiles are cheaper than the Shahed-136. Why would you assume the US uses Patriot missiles against a Shahed-136? That isn’t part of their doctrine and the flight profile is a poor fit.

These have been operational in the US military for almost 15 years now and are widely deployed in the Middle East. You may want to update your priors. The US military anticipated all of this.

While these are cheaper than the Shahed-136, lasers have the advantage of unlimited magazine depth, so it is obvious why the US would invest in that.


> Why would you assume the US uses Patriot missiles against a Shahed-136?

It's a demonstrable fact they're using them against drones.

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/patriot-missile-invol...

https://www.wsj.com/world/america-downs-cheap-drones-with-mi...


I can't read either of those because they are paywalled but ghe first paragraph of the first one doesn't seem to support your position.

In any case, almost everything i've read is that the majority of drones are shot down with APKWS, with a patriot sometimes used as a last resort if one gets through.


Selected excerpts:

> In the statement, a Bahraini government spokesperson said the [Patriot] missile successfully intercepted an Iranian drone mid-air, saving lives.

> Wars in the Middle East and Ukraine have put a spotlight on how limited supplies of sophisticated missiles—including multimillion-dollar Patriot interceptors—are sometimes being used to defend against mass-produced drones that cost just a few thousand dollars.

> Gulf states are also spending big on the war. Nations including Saudi Arabia have launched multimillion-dollar Patriot interceptors and fired missiles from aircraft to take out Iranian drones.

The E-3 Sentry that got blown up was reportedly hit by drone. I'd guess they wish a Patriot had stopped that one.


> Bahraini

Bahrain is not the usa. There are many reports that gulf states use patriot missiles much more freely than usa does.

> are sometimes being used to defend against mass-produced drones that cost just a few thousand dollars

"Sometimes" being the key word here. I think 1% of the time would technically constitute sometimes and changes the ecconomics considerably.

It should be noted the Shahed-136 drone that was mentioned above cost $100,000, not a couple thousand.

My position is not that it never happens, just that its relatively rare and a bit overblown in the media. Military does need to figure out better solutions, but the status quo is not use a patriot on every drone.


> There are many reports that gulf states use patriot missiles much more freely than usa does.

I've seen the opposite claimed; that the US is surprisingly wasteful with their expensive ammo.

https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/us...

"“Often they [the US and its allies] were firing thoughtlessly,” the officer said. “For example, they used SM-6 missiles — from a ship, a very good anti-missile missile. This missile costs about $6 million, and they used it to shoot down a Shahed costing $70,000.”"

> It should be noted the Shahed-136 drone that was mentioned above cost $100,000, not a couple thousand.

That's the marked-up export cost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136

"various estimates for domestic production cost range from $10,000 to $50,000"


> Sure, 99% of the time a Shahed-136 might "lose" against a Patriot, but a Patriot missile costs 200x what a Shahed does.

From what i understand, i think people use other systems than patriots to shoot down Shaheds except as a last resort. So the cost difference is bad, but its not nearly as bad as it would be if you were using something like a patriot for every drone.


Working electronic counter measures are deployed right now.

Anti air guns work, that includes the 5-inch guns on all warships that can engage the drones at over 10 kilometers.

Laser guided rockets work as well, a single F-16 can carry at least 42 laser guided rockets and the pod it needs for targeting.


Ukraine has been striking down Shaheds with even cheaper drones for several years now.

No reason to use unproven technology when there's a practical means available.


Nonsense. Every military is built to counter certain types of enemies. Nations that win predict correctly, nations that lose predict incorrectly. History is littered with examples.

Pretty sure anyone who fights the US military finds out pretty fast it’s a good military.

It isn’t perfect. It has flaws. War is hard to get right in every dimension.


We win battles and lose wars. Haven't won a war since WW2 and arguably Russia would have won without us.

I think that says more about our political leaders than our military.

Politicians choose the war and our military fights the battles. We're very good at winning battles. But some wars can't be won. The problem then lies in their choosing.

I imagine Sisyphus became the best, most effective rock push in the world. Unfortunately despite his talents, the task he was assigned was insoluble.


I generally agree that Americans tend to downplay the impact of Russia in WW2 but there is zero chance Russia would have won the war without the US. Even Lend-Lease going away would have resulted in a loss. Both Stalin and Kruschev agreed there.

The British Commonwealth was the biggest factor in Africa, but it's questionable how quickly they could have won out and taken the Suez without the Americans coming in late in 42, which was critical for both vital supplies like oil and also invading Italy. Japan was already getting bogged down with China and even Burma so they wouldn't have suddenly been free to do much in the European theater but just getting Italy out of the fight and forcing Germany to replace their divisions elsewhere. Italy exiting the war removed 30+ divisions between the Balkans and France, while another 70 Axis divisions were being held down by Allied forces in the Mediterranean during D-Day, with there being 33 Axis divisions in Normandy for D-Day itself. A lack of US involvement also likely means that Germany is able to hold Caucasus for longer (and take more of the oil fields), solving a sizable portion of their oil shortage issues.

With Lend-Lease but no active participation in the war from a military deployment standpoint, the UK and USSR do likely eventually win but at much greater cost and not without risk of losing. Without Lend-Lease it is highly possible that the Axis wins, at least in the European theater. Japan had kind of set themselves up to lose from the start no matter what the US did.


Arguably is an understatement.

Perhaps you're considering only the European theater, but even that would have been significantly more challenging for Russia without the U.S. tying up (and degrading) Axis resources and manpower throughout Europe and elsewhere (e.g. the Pacific). Japan could have very well opened an eastern front for Russia.

And, it was the U.S. that forced a two front war that prevented Germany's fuller focus on Russia's western front (millions fewer troops). Not to mention U.S. logistical and material support to the Soviet Union, which may well have prevented their industrial collapse.

Even with all of this support, the fatality rates for Russia were astronomical. To this day, it boggles my mind that one nation lost ~26 million people in a single war.

Hard to imagine how they would have succeeded without the U.S.


The US military is extremely good at doing specific objectives. All militaries are garbage at changing hearts and minds.

That's what diplomacy is for.


Sure, they will find out it is a good military. No doubt about that. What the US has found out repeatedly but fails to acknowledge is that the opposition proves to be a match. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Somalia have shown just how deep reserves of human resilience and arsenal of guerrilla tactics they have. This doesn't fit the US's mindset about how war is to be waged.

Meanwhile, the American public wants a quick skirmish and a bold "We WON" claim .. it has no appetite for body bags coming home and the price of oil rising.

Which is why if China makes a move on Taiwan, the US can do nothing.


I agree with your statement that human resilience can outlast a better army.

But then you go on to say:

> Which is why if China makes a move on Taiwan, the US can do nothing.

If your opening thesis is true, then it's strange you follow it up with that. Taiwan has just as much a chance of outlasting a stronger competitor as those other countries that resisted US dominance.

And with the US providing them weapons, intelligence, and support, maybe a better chance. See Ukraine.


> Pretty sure anyone who fights the US military finds out pretty fast it’s a good military.

I am not sure about that. Iraq, Afghanistan, to name the new ones and Vietnam to name an old one.

Sure you can take an easy/undisciplined target like Maduro. But many armies in the world can also do that. Another thing that has to be recognized: alternative warfare (ie: terrorism) is a legitimate form of warfare regardless of its morality. You can't, in my opinion, claim military supremacy while not being able to contain these other risks.

Another upcoming one: cyber-warfare.


> Sure you can take an easy/undisciplined target like Maduro.

You think what the US military did there was easy? lol. Lmao, even.


> Even stuff like Spectre and Meltdown, which I highly doubt an LLM can find on its own without specifically knowing about speculative execution attacks, are incredibly hard to use. People made a big deal of those being able to be used from javascript, but to actually leak anything of importance you need to know memory layouts, a bunch of other info and so on.

In fairness, i think part of the reason people made a big deal was the novelty of the attack. It was something new. The defenses weren't clear yet. The attack surface wasn't clear. It was unclear if anyone was going to come up with a novel improvement to the technique. Humans love novelty.


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