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> Building solar panel installations in remote locations still requires linking that back to the main grid, and all the in-between infrastructure needed to transform and transmit that power

Some people actually have an idea of how electricity works and statements like these make them think that the whole renewable energy industry is one big scam.

In your opinion, what percentage of the total cost is involved in tapping into the existing grid from nearest wasteland?


The really critical cost isn't monetary but time. There's plenty of places where the interconnect queue is holding up projects a lot: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2025/05/06/study-...

Same in parts of the UK. Scottish renewables are bottlenecked on transmission to London.

Whereas connecting generation to a substation near demand usually shows up as "negative demand" and doesn't require big upgrades.


You missed the most important part, in which you pay for all this (directly or indirectly).

As opposed me paying indirectly and directly for all the subsidies for the petroleum industry?

> Global explicit subsidies for fossil fuels amounted to around $1.5 trillion in 2022. […] The $7 trillion figure includes the social and environmental costs of fossil fuels.

https://ourworldindata.org/how-much-subsidies-fossil-fuels


The article you linked literally talks about fuel subsidies in the UK aimed at reducing the final cost of electricity for households and its vulnerability to rising of fissile fuel prices.

In the UK. A country that was one of the first to transition to renewable energy sources and which currently has one of the most expensive electricity prices. And then, to these "subsidies", losses from "road incidents" are added as other subsidies for fossil fuels.

Sorry, this is very difficult to perceive as an argument, it is literally designed for degenerates without education, who have difficulty understanding the meaning of words put together in sentences, and who, for this reason, evaluate any text by the presence of already familiar slogans in it


Why do you think anybody was operating under the assumption that this was free? But keeping your car topped up now is hardly free either, especially lately, so the question is really about cost comparison. And that's before you get into any externality costs.

> so the question is really about cost comparison

Yes, and I was talking specifically about the cost of this difference.


> If models become more efficient

Then we can make them even bigger.


> Then we can make them even bigger.

But what if it becomes "good enough", that for most intents and purposes, small models can be "good enough"

There are some people here/on r/localllama who I have seen run some small models and sometimes even run multiple of them to solve/iterate quickly and have a larger model plug into it and fix anything remaining.

This would still mean that larger/SOTA models might have some demand but I don't think that the demand would be nearly enough that people think, I mean, we all still kind of feel like there are different models which are good for different tasks and a good recommendation is to benchmark different models for your own use cases as sometimes there are some small models who can be good within your particular domain worth having within your toolset.


> But what if it becomes "good enough", that for most intents and purposes, small models can be "good enough"

It's simple: then we'll make our intents and purposes bigger.


Because the true goal is AGI, not just nice little tools to solve subsets of problems. The first company which can achieve human level intelligence will just be able to self-improve at such a rate as to create a gigantic moat

There’s no evidence that the current architectures will reach AGI levels.

Of course OpenAI wants you to think they will rule the world but if we’ve reached the plateau of LLM capabilities regardless of the amount of compute we throw at them then local models will soon be good enough.


> The first company which can achieve human level intelligence will just be able to...

They say prostitution is the oldest industry of all. We know how to achieve human-level intelligence quite well. The outstanding challenge is figuring out how to produce an energy efficient human-level intelligence.


There's no particular reason to assume a human level AI would be able to improve itself any better than the thousands of human level humans that designed it.

Sure, but: that single human with the intelligence of a top tier engineer of scientist will have immediate access to all human knowledge. Plus, what do you think happens the moment its optimizes itself to run in 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. parallel instances?

Well, A) "top tier engineer/scientist" is a significant step above generic human, B) the human engineers/scientists also have immediate access to the same database, C) The humans have been optimizing it for even longer, so what makes us think the AI can optimize itself even a couple percent?

For example, if the number of AIs you can run per petaflop started to scale with the cube root of researcher-years, then even if your researcher AIs are quite fast and you can double your density in a couple years, hitting 5x will take a decade and hitting 10x will approach half a century.


Regulations like these make the entire renewable energy sector seem like a crazy scam and greenwashing.

They might not have much of an impact on property values (certainly no more than the plethora of existing building regulations). But we shouldn't be surprised if as a result people vote for a candidate whose campaign promise consists of picking up a grenade launcher and blowing up windmills.


On the one hand, it's been obviously economically a good idea to require this for about a decade, both because PV is cheap and would pay for itself even at full price and also because doing it construction time is cheaper than doing it later.

Even moreso now, because PV is now cheaper per square metre than tiles or fences, even if you don't hook it up to the grid afterwards.

On the other hand, this is the UK so maybe. They did Brexit and somehow Farage hasn't been deported for the consequences.


That sounds dubious. The government's actual approval rating in Russia is, what, 5 percent? I remember watching a report about how people in Russia were literally jailed for giving the "wrong" answer to a street poll.

So, I suppose if they could somehow use money and influence to determine election results, they would use it in Russia, no?

So, I think the civilizational threat from Russia is about the same as from North Korea: nearly zero.


Russia's infinitration is long done. The brakes are cut and the cars moving down a steep hill. Putin can just sit back and watch the chaos ensue if he wants.


> Why not?

This implies the creation of an infrastructure for the total surveillance of citizens, unlike age verification by physical businesses.


Spell it out: how do ID checks for specific services (where the laws I've read all require no records be retained with generally steep penalties) create an infrastructure for total surveillance? Can't sites just not keep records like they do in person and like the law mandates? Can't in-person businesses keep records and share that with whomever you're worried about?

How do you reconcile porn sites as a line in the sand with things like banking or online real estate transactions or applying for an apartment already performing ID checks? The verification infrastructure is already in place. It's mundane. In fact the apartment one is probably more offensive because they'll likely make you do their online thing even if you could just walk in and show ID.


>create an infrastructure for total surveillance

I mean, we're talking about age verification in the OS itself in some of these laws, so tell me how it doesn't.

Quantity is a quality. We're not just seeing it for porn, it's moving to social media in general. Politicians are already talking about it for all sites that allow posts, that would include this site.

So you tell me.


App and website developers having liability is an alternative to OS controls. Mandatory OS controls are OS/device manufacturers having liability. I agree that's a poor idea, and actually said as much like a year ago pointing out that this California bill was the awful alternative when people were against bills like the one from Texas. It's targeting the wrong party and creates burdens on everyone even if you don't care about porn or social media.


No, in the CA law OS controls are part and parcel with app and website developer liability.


They're separate concepts. Clearly, obviously, mandating OS controls is creating liability for OS providers, not service operators. Other states do liability for providers without mandating some other party get involved.

California is also stupid for creating liability for service/app providers that don't even deal in age restricted apps, like calculators or maps. It's playing right into the "this affects the whole Internet/all of computing" narrative when in fact it's really a small set of businesses that are causing issues and should be subject to regulation.


Knowing if the user's over 18 doesn't imply total surveillance, it only implies a user profile setting that says if they're over 18.


It implies that the user has access to the technical infrastructure that supports age verification. Sucks to be you, if you can't afford a recent Apple or Android device to run the AgeVerification app.

There is also the problem of mission creep. Once the infrastructure is in place, to control access to age-restricted content, other services might become out of reach. In particular, anonymous usage of online forums might no longer be possible.


That technical infrastructure: a drop-down menu on the user's account settings


The EU Digital Wallet requires hardware attestation so only it only works on locked-down government-approved OSes. That opens the door for government control of all electronic devices.


What a shame. The California one is just an input box.


Do you know what the word "infrastructure" means?


Do you know what "total surveillance" means? It doesn't mean a checkbox for over 18


I can't tell if this is a troll or not.

OS-level ability to verify the age of the person using it absolutely provides infrastructure for the OS to verify all sorts of other things. Citizenship, identity, you name it. When it's at the OS level there's no way to do anything privately on that machine ever again.


I agree that a checkbox for if the user is over 18 opens the door to a checkbox for if the user is a citizen and even a textbox for the user's full name (which already exists on Linux so you better boycott Debian now!). I don't see how such input fields are "total surveillance".


> new coal plants

3 cents per kwh

> more nuclear or renewable generation

20 cents per kwh

> What excuse actually is there

A sevenfold price difference is a pretty significant excuse, don't you think?


> if you can’t ignore externalities, people have strong incentives to use less

Or vote for those who promise to cancel all of this.


Yes, that’s definitely a risk when there’s a huge industry pumping out agitprop saying we don’t need to act. I think the original proposal was wise to structure it as an income tax refund so people would see a regular positive benefit.


> It's laughable mathematical fantasy

I mean 2.5 / 3.4 = ~ 75%. A measly 75% tariffs will allow the abolition of income tax.


> Used to be that America was great because the smartest researchers in the world wanted to come here, often escaping oppressive regimes to do so, and become American citizens (e.g., Albert Einstein)

By this measure, America is now greater than ever.

Of course, it's convenient to pretend that Trump is building a racist dictatorship with a Gestapo, and that's why no one wants to move to the US. But the true is that the number of people around the world who would like to move to the US is higher than ever. Especially when the current administration is trying to purge society of foreign criminals.

> So now all the world’s best and brightest scientists will move to China

Yes, of course. It's practically the same thing. The only reason scientists go to China is because they are not allowed into the US.


There are a lot of leaps in this comment


So build an argument against it. I think hes right, so if you claim he is making leaps, feel free to fill in rhe gaps?


I’ll fill in the gaps. I didn’t initially want to respond to that person because they are MAGA-brained.

Basically, their whole comment is based on non-factual information.

US is discouraging talent by revoking student visas, China is offering more funding and incentives while the US has flat federal funding with future cuts likely: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-europe-us-scientists

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/science-resea...

China produces more research in top journals than the US: https://quincyinst.org/research/chinas-historic-rise-to-the-...

The commenter claimed that there’s no ICE Gestapo, and that this administration is deporting criminals, but 74% of detainees have no criminal convictions and only 5% have any violent criminal record: https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convi...

ICE told officers in a memo to disregard due process and the 4th amendment:

https://apneas.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-...

Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens:

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG...

More people are moving out of the US than moving in for the first time since the Great Depression: https://fortune.com/2026/02/27/trump-immigration-crackdown-w...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-08-22/la-na-im...

I have no link for this one, but it’s worth pointing out that educated immigrants likely have the most options on where they want to live. They’re not in the same situation as a day laborer hopping the border to the closest country that has work available. The US doesn’t have to be a bad option available for that kind of person to say “nah, I’ll go somewhere else.” It just has to be a less good option with enough negative aspects, and they’ll say, eff that, I’m going to find a position in Germany/Netherlands/China/etc.


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